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A Talk Programme on "Civil Military Relations in Modernising Democracy"


A half-day talk programme on "Civil Military Relations in Modernising Democracy" was organized by the Institute of Foreign Aff airs (IFA), in association with Friedrich Ebert Stiftung (FES-Nepal), at the Hotel De l' Annapurna, Durbar Marg on July 17, 2007. The programme was organised under the chairmanship of Prof. Dr. Gopal Prasad Pokhrel, Executive Director of IFA. Mr. Gyan Chandra Acharya, Secretary at the Ministry of Foreign Aff airs (MoFA), graced the ceremony as the Chief Guest, while Guests of Honour were Prof. Dr. Thomas Meyer, Chairman, Political Science Department, Dortmund University, Germany, Mr. Norbert Meyer, Deputy Chief of Mission, Embassy of Federal Republic of Germany and Dr. Daniel Richard, chief of the Division for International Cooperation and Department for Development Policy Asia and Pacific.



Addressing the programme, Mr. Acharya said that Meyer's experiences and ideas as a theorist and practitioner would help a lot in strengthening civil-military relations in modernising democracy in Nepal. He further said that Prof. Meyer had been looking at the development activities of not only Nepal but of the entire South Asia as well. Recalling the success of the Jana Aandolan II in Nepal, Mr. Acharya said that state institutions were being restructured and the government of Nepal was trying to make the institutions in tune with the requirement of the day. In terms of military transformation, the Foreign Secretary said that the Government of Nepal had started to increase the civilian control on military. At the same time, he suggested that all the concerned sectors of Nepal should execute the task of military transformation. Similarly, he was also of the opinion that it would be useful for Nepal to learn from various other countries of the world, who have gained a lot of experiences in military transformation. Presenting his keynote address on "Military and Democracy", Prof. Dr. Thomas Meyer, Chairman of the Department of Political Science at the University of Dortmund, Germany, expressed the view that a professional military with professional form of leadership under the rule of political primacy would best protect a democracy. Prof. Dr. Meyer summed up his presentation in 11 diff erent points, which are as follows:
  1. Democracy is not a luxury good for affl uent society but a practical necessity for developing countries.
  2. Democracy is not a particular feature of the culture of the west but a universal method for the integration of modern or modernising societies and the legitimacy of political rule.
  3. Every state needs to have some form of protection from an outside threat by means of military force. Military force to fulfi ll this duty must be strong, eff ective, ready, unifi ed and disciplined. It would be a contradiction in itself. The democratic state that seeks protection against outside aggressors through military force would not be provided for suffi cient political control of this most powerful institution itself. Democracy, then would, as history shows, be vulnerable exactly by the same force it created for its protection.
  4. Democracy requires the political primacy over the military in all basic respects. The particular pattern of such primacy may diff er, however, from country to country under the infl uence of history, culture and society.
  5. Every state is a diff erent case because of its particular history, traditional role of the military, the record of military institutions and the individual persons in uniform. There is no unifi ed model of democratic control, but democratic control as such is a necessity everywhere.
  6. Political primacy includes all measures that ensure the fi nal control of the government and the parliament of all relevant military issues.
  7. In order to prevent, militarism as undue domination of societal structures, procedures and civil habits by the military culture, it is advisable to institutionalize additional forms of civil control.
  8. Some outstanding features of Germany experience with modern military leadership:

    1. A new professionalism as a combination of military discipline, modern values of cooperation and technological necessities.
    2. Intrinsic motivations of the soldiers by demonstrating that they serve legitimate goals instead of merely authoritarian culture (external leadership). This is seen as a guarantee that all soldiers are ready to give their best.
    3. Consensus through education and dissuasion about the values and the objectives to fi ght for and the enemies and values to fi ght against.
    4. Avoidance of contradictions between the values of broader society and the values respected in the military.
    5. Modern leadership as obligation for each individual offi cers.
    6. Modern leadership is seen as an intrinsic orientation in all military decisions at all levels.
    7. Respect of the human rights of each soldier.

  9. Professionalism is a key to the full compatibility between the military and democracy in two dimensions—professionalism of the military personnel and professionalism of those political offi cials who are in charge of the surveillance of the military.
  10. A democracy in which the military in one way or another is except from democratic rule is a defective democracy that neither properly works nor possesses the full legitimacy as the necessary basis for stability.
  11. A democracy that remains defective over time will increasingly run into three problems. The problems include:

    1. Domestically: destabilizing democracy due to its lack of legitimacy in the eyes of the society.
    2. Ineffi ciently: because of increasing cost of repression and thus hampering motivation for cooperation in the society.
    3. Internationally: lack of reputation, trust and credibility of the country.

Delivering his speech, Mr. Daniel Richard, chief of the Division for International Cooperation and Department for Development Policy Asia and Pacifi c, underlined what FES could do in practice in its work in Nepal. In the context of the importance of civic education among the military, Mr. Daniel said that FES-Nepal had already started such programmes not only among the people of Nepal but specifi cally among the military as well. He assured that the FES Headquarters would extend its every support in establishing permanent peace in Nepal. Speaking at the programme, Mr. Norbert Meyer, Deputy Chief of Mission, Embassy of Federal Republic of Germany, opined that Nepal was at a cross-road via destiny in establishing peace in the country. Highlighting the success of the ongoing peace process in Nepal, he said that discussions of such type were very important to guarantee permanent peace and the way to democracy. He also pledged that Germany had been helping and would be helping in the days ahead in establishing permanent peace in Nepal.


Floor Discussion

Following the scholastic presentation made by Prof. Dr. Meyer, various scholars and participants raised their queries on his paper.

Prof. Dr. Mohamad Habibullah asked why a majority of the countries in South Asia had military rule. Referring to the loss of democracy for three times in Nepal due to immaturity of political leadership, he asked how the German scholar perceive future democracy in the country. Dr. Som Prasad Pudasaini asked how would the behaviour and attitude of the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) combatants and the Nepal Army be changed so that they could be disciplined.

Prof. Dr. Ram Kumar Dahal asked the author to related the point number 10 of the paper, (which reads: A democracy in which the military in one way or another is except from democratic rule is a defective democracy that neither properly works nor possesses the full legitimacy as the necessary basis for stability) in the context of Nepal? Prof. Sadmukh Bahadur Thapa asked the paper presenter about the possibility of integrating the Maoist combatants into the national army in Nepal.

Mr. Shambhu Rana inquired about the best practices of using eff ective tools and techniques in modernising army. A retired army general asked him how civil-military relations could help in modernising democracy when no proper recognition and trust was given to the Nepal Army. Mr. Bimal Pandey wanted to know how civil-military relationship could help in modernising democracy when developing countries were lacking merit-based professionalism.

Dr. Chuda Bahadur Shrestha asked how could civilmilitary relationship and development of professionalism be correlated when there was no room for military doctrine in Nepal.

Chauyen Lai Shrestha urged the German scholar to shed light on the provision of the National Security Council in Germany. He also asked Prof. Meyer how the Nepal Army would play an important role for the observation of the CA elections, as they have been limited to their barracks.

Dr. Indrajit Rai raised the following questions: a. The burning topic is the integration of the Maoist Army into the Nepal Army. The Maoists blamed the Nepal Army being fully intoxicated with the old monarchical system and needed them to be democratized. On the other hand, the Nepal Army blamed the Maoists for being intoxicated with politics. Which version do you accept?

b. The distance between the civil and military (Singh Durbar and the Nepal Army Headquarters) is very wide. The Members of Parliament are not aware of the military ethics and the Nepal Army does not know the value of politicians. In this situation, how can the process of integration of the PLA (People's Liberation Army of Maoists) into the Nepal Army be possible?

Prof. Dr. Shreeram Upadhyaya asked the author whether the demilitarisation of state was possible in Nepal. Dr. Karna Bahadur Thapa, former army offi cer: It is to accept that present Nepal is the by-product of the Nepal Army. There was no provision of security issue in SAARC (South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation). What has obstructed our political leaders to draft a national security policy?

Prof. Dr. Meyer's response: Many of the speakers tried to lure me into a dangerous trap. This is because if I really give an advice what to do in Nepal, it would be a sign of utmost ignorance and arrogance on my part. The only thing that we can do is exchange experiences and ideas. In my observation, fi rst, this very event here sitting together with the people from the military, academia, civil society, political functionaries and journalists in itself is an act of political culture. This could infl uence the civil-military relationship. Had there been discussions of this type for four/fi ve times a year, they would have been helpful in building up trust and understanding among the people regarding civil-military relationship.

The idea of constitution and development of this country should be shared by all. If you have certain basic ideas of social democracy in the sense that you introduce and fully guarantee civil rights, and political basic rights. If people have access to healthcare and education, this could be a consensus, which also could be in some elements written in the constitution. Those forces and actors in the society, who sign this consensus would welcome it. But those who do not sign it cannot be legitimate actors in this new democratized society. When I was asked whether Nepal was a democracy, you can analyse the country comparatively in terms of political science in the concept of democracy.

Nepal is a part to be an electoral democracy, which can still be a defective democracy unless some fundamental components are guaranteed because elections are not enough to make democracy. Democracy requires more than elections, responsive government, rule of law and inclusion of all relevant interests into the political process. In this respect, Nepal is till now a defective democracy; it is on the way to become a consolidated democracy. It needs to become a better and eff ective democracy. This is desire and need of the people. When you tell the village people about the discussion of the constitution, most of them will ask what comes after the constitution. They may also ask what the political leaders do in order to cater their needs. In order to deliver our basic needs, democracy needs to be instutionalised in such a manner that it could deliver the needs of the people eff ectively.

While integrating the two armies (PLA and the Nepal Army), the concept must be clear fi rst. The concept needs to be signed seriously by the concerned parties. The concept needs to speak about democracy, democratic value, a culture that is to be introduced in the integrated army and provision of check and balance. This is not the question of west. It is the business of understanding. We had times when there were big tensions between the military and civilian powers in Germany. And then, we had also time where there was no tension between the military and civilian powers. When people say that it was only possible in the west, it is just an excuse and a way to avoid responsibility.

Next, a commission in parliament is necessary in which civilian experts and the parliamentarian parties should work together and obey, control and check while initiating a dialogue with military. Of course, military deserves recognition and respect. To some degree, they stick to this rule because they off er a very essential base to the country.

Delivering his vote of thanks, Prof. Gopal Pokharel, Executive Director of IFA, said that it was a great privilege and a rare occasion for IFA to have Prof. Dr. Thomas Meyer, a great friend of Nepal and scholar and expert of international repute, at the talk programme.

Prof. Pokharel, who was also speaking from the chair, said that Nepal was passing through a historical transition that the Nepalese for the fi rst time in their history had taken their destiny in their hands.

Recalling the historical proclamation of Nepal's Parliament, he said that the commitment on the part of the Maoists to join the mainstream politics was quite encouraging. "The vigilance on the part of the civil society to safeguard the gains of the movement has inspired us all. If we look at the going trends carefully and analyze them rationally, one can be fully assured that the Nepalese people are moving towards right direction and better future," he added.

Highlighting the changing scenario of the Nepalese society, he said that no section of Nepali society or segment of the population - whether they be women, Madhesis, ethnic and marginalised groups or Dalits, were prepared to live in status quo.

"The Eight-Party Alliance Government has been eff ortful in managing the great transition by resorting to restructuring the traditional feudal order of the Nepali society. The societal order has to under go drastic change to cope with the rising expectations of the masses as soon as possible," he said.

He said although the Nepali people stood fi rm, courageous, and rendered sacrifi ces with resolute determination to move forward for the modernisation of the country, the irony was that nothing as yet had changed the material reality of the people in terms of basic needs and services.

"The on-going trends pose a great challenge to the Nepali ruling elites, and if timely remedial measures followed by concrete actions are not contemplated immediately, managing the revolution of rising expectations of the people would even be a greater threat and challenge to the Nepali politicians than, perhaps, managing the political or the constitutional processes," he warned.



According to him, that called for a clear vision and sincere dedication to initiate the process of systematic and scientifi c re-structuring of Nepali society, giving a rightful place to all the stakeholders, ensuring social justice, promoting the universally acclaimed values of human rights, discarding all discriminatory practices and exploitation. "These theoretical propositions would warrant the provisions of transparency, accountability and the rule of law with a fare and equitable distribution of national wealth, which are the cardinal principles of good governance and democracy in a practical sense of the terms," he mentioned.

Delving on Prof. Dr. Meyer's observations, he said the German scholar had dealt with at length and correctly diagnosed the problems likely to be commonly found in any emerging new democracy. "In reference to this he has elaborately analyzed the civil-military relations in modernising democracy while examining its pros and cons," he observed.

He expressed the hope that the ideas and suggestions put forward by Dr. Meyer would help Nepal tremendously in arranging and managing civil-military relations in a new context taking into account the forthcoming constituent assembly polls.

"In every developing society, a harmonious relation needs to be assured while readjusting or restructuring the traditional structure with utmost caution followed by timely reforms," he said.

Emphasising the need for harmonous relations among all organs of the state, i.e. political parties, bureaucracy, the public institutions, including the security apparatus, he said that they needed to make concerted eff orts to make the transition easy and smooth.

He called for all to set aside all petty diff erences and come out with an open mind and heart to contribute in making the stupendous task of national building a success. "We should not stick to hardening of attitudes, get rid of parochialism and prejudices and re-dedicate ourselves showing collective wisdom to fulfi ll the dreams of peaceful, prosperous and democratic Nepal without further loss of time," he said.

At the end, he said that the erudition, expertise, and experience of Dr. Meyer would greatly help in fi nding a clear direction to our journey of nation building. Earlier, welcoming the guests, scholars and other invites, Ms. Anjan Shakya, Deputy Executive Director of IFA, said that civil-military relations in modernising democracy deserved special attention of all concerned sectors at a time when Nepal was making national re-construction a reality. Shedding light on the importance of retransformation and rearrangement of the organs of the state such as bureaucracy and security set-ups, Ms. Shakya said that all the organs of the state needed to be re-adjusted and rearranged for the smooth socio-economic transformation of Nepali society.

"Despite the several attempts made by the Nepalese people for the massive modernisation, nothing as yet have changed the material reality of the people in terms of deprivation and livelihood," she added. She further said that it had been a call of time that the century-old social structure had to undergo a tremendous change which could facilitate the modernisation of traditional structure of Nepali society.

She admitted that Nepali people had taken a bold historical step of going for the Constituent Assembly (CA) polls in forthcoming November in their bid to make New Nepal with all sincerity and dedication. At the function, Ms. Shakya urged all the political parties to be capable enough to show political acumens with absolute determination to manage the people's high expectations created by the April People's Movement.

At the end of the programme, Mr. Gyan Chandra Acharya, Secretary at MoFA, off ered Nepali caps to the Guests of Honour on the dais as token of love and Prof. Dr. Gopal Prasad Pokhrel, Executive Director of IFA, off ered the logo of IFA to Prof. Meyer.